Old Castle, I have made it 3 times now. Love it every time I have made it though it seems to take a while to ctdnioion in a bottle. but once it does its just like a New Castle. I'm no brew master and don't have the time to become one. USF kits are virtually fail safe 1 week in the primary, 1 week in secondary and and 2 to 4 weeks to ctdnioion and I have yet to get a batch that I am not proud to serve to my friends and family and I have made quite a few of these kits without one being anything but great.Thanks,Rob